"Tour Tempo" by John Novosel - Page 11

shortgamewiz

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Originally Posted by Clambake

One thing that some people miss is that the beeps are NOT supposed to be on exactly the 3:1 ratios. People keep trying to equate it to music and test the timing, but they forget that the timing is supposed to included the human reaction time. As described fairly well in the book, Novosel's original attempts at doing this resulted in the wrong timing when the player actually swings the club. The time interval between the first and second beeps takes into account the reaction time for the body to start moving after the brain registers the first beep, and similarly for the time to react after hearing the second beep. And then the third beep should coincide with impact (no extra reaction time built in to the timing). As Novocel repeatedly says in the book, don't anticipate the beeps - react to them. If one does that and uses this method properly, the swing will then be on the 3:1 ratios as identified in his research even though the beep timing isn't exactly 3:1. Read the book.

I read the book quite carefully. I still think it's a waltz that they are concealing. You've got to feel the beat. Plus you could argue that musicians HAVE to anticipate the beats to an extent, or you're late (yes i am a musician in case you were wondering

. Also by making it more complicated, you are bound to add tension and doubt, just what you don't want in your golf swing. Better off singing the blue danube as has been alluded to, at the best tempo for you. (btw that's a great commercial.. absolutely fabulous)

*zRam*

it is a basic waltz.

a waltz counts 1..2..3..1..2..3..etc.

tour tempo is : start back on 1, start down on 3, hit on 1
so it is 3 counts up, 1 count down to impact. you are traveling to the top of your swing through 2

*PingGKEN*

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Originally Posted by zRam

it is a basic waltz.

a waltz counts 1..2..3..1..2..3..etc.

tour tempo is : start back on 1, start down on 3, hit on 1
so it is 3 counts up, 1 count down to impact. you are traveling to the top of your swing through 2

I almost replied saying this is incorrect, but I see what you are saying. The CD, though, clearly has the beats going with a 4/4 time signature. If you take what you said and combine it with the CD, you end up with a sort of 3 over 4 counting. Might confuse some people who read in the book where it says start downswing after hearing the 2nd beep (that beep actually being the 3rd beat in a 4/4 measure).

1..2..3..1..2..3..1..2..3
1..2..3..4..1..2..3..4..1

*zRam*

Yes. I think you see what I'm saying. I'm a drummer and I'm used to counting weird time signatures so it seems normal to me to count it as a waltz.

*PingGKEN*

Lol, I'm a drummer too!

That's probably why this tour tempo is kind of tough for me to implement. I end up anticipating every beat in an attempt to lock into the tempo. I'm not reacting to the beats. I'm trying to "play drums" with the notes. The club is my drum stick and the ball is the snare drum. (IE: hitting at the ball = not good

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steve8820

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Originally Posted by gcgoncalves

Yes, ALL the songs, beeps, etc are to a 2:1 ratio in Tour Tempo. It was a real turn off to buy the book, read it, put the mp3 on the player, start listening to them, and within a few seconds realize they were in a 2:1 ratio. It really doesn't take a degree in music to realize that.
Then, since I'm not in music, I wanted to make sure. I opened the mp3s in a sound editor and marked the first, second and third beeps on a 27/9 song. Beep one happened exactly at 4.075 seconds, beeps 2 at 5.000 seconds and beep 3 at 5.462 seconds. Not only the ratio was 2:1 but also the total time elapsed between beep 1 and 3 was 1.40 seconds, and not the 1.20 that was supposed to be for 27/9.
It's good to be brainwashed with all the beautiful theory and everything. But when you realize the sound files that come with the product are off not only in tempo but also in rhythm, it's a real turn off and a slap on the face "you've been fooled!".
It doesn't matter if the method works, it doesn't matter if it improves your game, distance, consistency, whatever. Despite all of that, it still made me very disappointed with the author. I'm pretty sure he knows the beeps are off, I mean, it's is too obvious.

That's my two cents...

Wow, this thread has really went down the tube. Who cares if the beats are 2:1, 3:1, 4:1, or f'ing 500:1. Getting the swing thoughts out and just reacting to the tempo will improve your ballstriking IF and ONLY IF you have decent fundamentals. Judging by your handicap, you are better served going to see a PGA professional.

shortgamewiz

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Originally Posted by PingGKEN

I almost replied saying this is incorrect, but I see what you are saying. The CD, though, clearly has the beats going with a 4/4 time signature. If you take what you said and combine it with the CD, you end up with a sort of 3 over 4 counting. Might confuse some people who read in the book where it says start downswing after hearing the 2nd beep (that beep actually being the 3rd beat in a 4/4 measure).

1..2..3..1..2..3..1..2..3
1..2..3..4..1..2..3..4..1

Exactly my point.. then why not just have it in 3 ?????!!!!
I guess that would make it too easy.. then all we'd have to do is
hum a waltz ?? !!

shortgamewiz

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Originally Posted by steve8820

Wow, this thread has really went down the tube. Who cares if the beats are 2:1, 3:1, 4:1, or f'ing 500:1. Getting the swing thoughts out and just reacting to the tempo will improve your ballstriking IF and ONLY IF you have decent fundamentals. Judging by your handicap, you are better served going to see a PGA professional.

"The 10 handicap doth protest too much, methinks." - Shakespeare

gspjeb

seems like a bit of controversy with what the count actually is.....as for myself, I have experienced a great deal of improvement from using the tones while practicing. I still have had to tweak parts of my swing but the correct tempo has made a big difference for me.